Runs 100% reliable in everything, including 9mm AR and Beretta CX4 Storm. Seen a few of those over the years. So filling up half way looks normal. Posted by David Blankenship on Aug 12th 2022. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, troubleshooting, accessories, classifieds, and more! I was happy at 4.0 gr in M&P 9 and Sig p938. Although The High Road has attempted to provide accurate information on the forum, The High Road assumes no responsibility for the accuracy of the information. We do not take backorders and our Tech Services team cannot take orders via email or phone. Phillip is also well known as a nationally ranked precision rifle competitor in the Precision Rifle Series and National Rifle League circuits. In her free time, she shoots in NRL22 club matches around the Kansas City area, where she lives with her husband Shane and where she works as a pharmacist. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. ABOUT WALKER: Walker is 15 years old and has hunted from Africa to Hawaii, and several places in between, including the Yukon in Canada. A forum community dedicated to all 1911 firearm owners and enthusiasts. She has been named as a co-host on Shooting Gallery on the Outdoor Channel. 9mm/38 Caliber 9mm Load Data With Titegroup Powder 9mm Load Data With Titegroup Powder By looking4reloadingdeals December 31, 2019 in 9mm/38 Caliber Share Followers 0 Reply to this topic Start new topic 513 Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) Hello everyone, I have been putting together some load data for some of the loads I use commonly. Maybe Ill do another test with the chrono 10ft away and see if I get any difference in results, thanks. A plated bullet (Berry's, Rainier Ballistics) falls between the two. For over 25 years, he has worked in the firearms industry in product development, working and consulting with small arms manufacturing and related products. I have seen anything from 3.7-4.4 grains recommended. I dont remember my powder charger right off the top of my head. In 2016, she plans to lead a delegate of women to Capitol Hill in an effort to give legislators a face to put with gun owners. 1 - 4 of 4 Posts. Use the LRN and you will be good. Hardware Reloading 9mm load for 124gr with Titegroup G-Lo Jan 11, 2015 G-Lo Rating - 100% 8 0 0 Joined Jul 22, 2012 Messages 588 Likes 38 Jan 11, 2015 #1/18 Hey all- I wanted to ask you guys what have you liked for 9mm 124gr plated bullets using Titegroup. Soon I got a lot more comfortable as I did it a lot. But we're just a free cock punch away from finding out how badass you really are. I just loaded 1000 124 grain plated bullets with 4.2 grains of Titegroup. They are snappy, but fun to shoot. looking4reloadingdeals Lee, Lyman, Hodgdon, Hornady, all sorts of manuals have data. The snubnosed .38 and .45 ACP handloads also turned in good results. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Im loading either 115gr or 125gr HP. Some of these loads are over manufacturer recommended maximums, DO NOT COPY or try! I have found it to be very accurate, and prefer it over my power pistol loads. Looks like i will test some 4.0 and 4.2 as long as they stay below 1200. I shoot X-treme plated at 4.1 grains. Obligatory start low and work your way up I didn't think 4.5 grains was a max load either, because on the Titegroup container it says that for 115gr Speer GDHP max load is 4.8 gr. It's the cheapest and most available powder for 9mm in my area. Titegroup is what people generally buy when they are trying to make budget loads, and the general best Titegroup loads are between 3-4 grains of powder only, so you can load a lot of rounds with just 1 pound. I consider the type of bullet. Its popularity soared after World War II, and the U.S. military adopted the 9x19mm as its service pistol round in 1985. It is our mission to encourage, organize, and support these efforts throughout Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming. In the last several years I have really focussed on the PRS, ELR, and NRL Hunter. Phillip is a 10-year Marine Corps veteran having served his whole career in the Scout Sniper community. He volunteers as an alter sever at Mass on Sunday at church and is a member in the Civilian Airpatrol Program. You can post now and register later. If I don't like it, I will give it to my buddy After working up a lighter load for my daughter I ended up with 124 grain plated bullet and 4.4 grains of Titegroup. Hell they even have chrono`s that mount right on the barrels of rifles these days. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Used Titegroup and a variety of different weight and mfg bullets. We place limited powder inventory for sale on a regular basis on our website. Look at the large picture below, you can see, a normal load barely fills the case, its way down in there. And by comparison the Lyman 49th shows titegroup at 4.0gr to 4.5gr max for the same Hornady XTP bullet. Upgrade efforts paused for now. All I ever used was Bullseye powderlove it. Boris_La . I got the adjustable charge bar for rifle loads and tried it out with titegroup and it did not work. May 7, 2012 9mm 124 gr FMJ 1.15" COL 4.3 gr Titegroup (a little hot) In Pistols and Revolvers.. Titegroups unique design provides flawless ignition with all types of primers, including lead-free versions. For instance I use Montana Gold hollow points and consider them to be pretty much the same as Speer/Hornady. You will get better accuracy and much better function with a mid-burn rate powder such as Unique, Universal, AA#5, or Power Pistol. Chad is also the Director of Advertising & Media Relations for CVA Muzzleloaders, PowerBelt Bullets, Bergara USA, DuraSight Rings and Bases, Quake Industries and Konus Optics. That's why when I figured out that my previous loads were unsafe I called Berry's to get correct info. Make an introduction to Jake and youll instantly receive a big grin and firm handshake. Every match Ive been to that chronoshas the chrono set up at least 10 ft away. All calculations were done by hand using formulas, please let me know if anything seems off. COAL are generally +/- 0.005" seated using Lee seating die. Hodgton indicates you can go to 4.1. Early on, its pointy full-metal-jacket rounds gave the 9x19mm a reputation as a horrible antipersonnel round. "Given adequate penetration, a larger diameter bullet will have an edge in wounding effectiveness. This made me wonder if it is a velocity issue, or a powder charge below 3.7gr issue since all these loads are for the same bullets. Growing up, Brian spent very little time indoors, with his passions being split between baseball and spending time in either the river, the desert, or the mountains. I would like a lighter load for practicenothing too hot. At first I was a little leery when I could not find the exact bullet I wanted to use with the powder I was using. Retired LEO/Rangemaster, Glock armorer, pistol instructor, Endowment NRA member. The google sheet has been updated for those interested in the difference or who want to reference the sheet. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. It's great for light target loads in revolvers but generates way too much pressure for mid-range loads or pistol loads Some powders that work much better are Power Pistol, BE86, or even the old standby . containers. . I have an old Lee maual, but it doesn't have any info on Titegroup. Warning! For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Varget and H-4350 are the go to but since Ive been running some IMR Enduron powders that seem to work very good as well. Zach started attending national shoots in 2018, including Junior Worlds, Junior Olympics Nationals, and USAYESS Nationals. An avid outdoorsman, he enjoys hunting and fishing with his family and mentoring youth through his ministry service. Need to be careful with plated bullets because not all are created equal. All bullets were taper crimped as a separate step in the handloading . I have been using 3.3gr Titegroup under 147fmj at 1.15 coal. The bullets I have available are 124gr/125gr plated and jacketed and 147gr plated. Buy Sport Pistol or N320 instead. I ended up finding data for it on the instructions for the powder measure. containers. 9mm has a rather consistent 115gr OAL. The maxorder quantity of any powder SKU is, https://shop.hodgdon.com/sites/www/files/2022-04/2022-Hodgdon%20Spherical%20Pow. I saw that there, Rusty, but I need data for FMJ, not HP. He has over 35 years experience in shooting, with approximately 50 tons of projectiles downrange with the assistance of Hodgdon Powder. The desire to know, when, how, and if he should take these shots along with an unquenched thirst for competition, lead Brian to shoot precision rifle events. My conclusion is that a 115 gr. Skip this one, you can do better. I like using this gun because I've heard HK tests it at 2x max pressure specs for the 9mm. Hmm, I thought it was 5ft. Unlike pistol powders of the past, powder position in large cases (45 Colt, 357 Magnum and others) has virtually no effect on velocity and performance. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. The terrain in Southern Idaho often requires a hunter to be able to take shots at 400 yards and well beyond. I don't pay so much attention to the bullet manufacturer when loading. You need to get teh double disc kit. Snake River PRS club has become his pride and joy with a dedication to growing the sport by recruiting and supporting new and youth shooters. Walkalong, that was my guess also, but there are other fast powders listed with 900fps and 950fps loads. In addition to shooting, Zach plays plays baseball, basketball, football, and track & field. Neither The High Road nor any of its directors, members, managers, employees, agents, vendors, or suppliers will be liable for any direct, indirect, general, bodily injury, compensatory, special, punitive, consequential, or incidental damages including, without limitation, lost profits or revenues, costs of replacement goods, loss or damage to data arising out of the use or inability to use this forum or any services associated with this forum, or damages from the use of or reliance on the information present on this forum, even if you have been advised of the possibility of such damages. Unique - 4.6 gn - 1100 fps. When I first learned it was long before Algore had invented the net. Some take the caution a little farther than needed but really nothing wrong with that. When you load this stuff, you better be focused on what you are doing, its not recommended for anyone that loads with many powders around, constantlys swapping powders. Gaige Grosskreutz -- The Felon Shot By Kyle Rittenhouse. Since opening GA Precision, George has been building some of the finest precision bolt guns and custom rifles. With my setup using the .32 orifice I get 3.5-3.6gr, .34 orifice 3.6-3.8gr and with the .37 orifice 4.1-4.2gr is dispensed. Load two according to the new data for the 124gr XTP has an OAL 1.140 with a power range of 3.6 to 4.1 grains that would make this unsafe. MM thanks for that comment on the adjustable charge bar. That is all the negatives about it, it shoots just fine, its very economical and its just fine with accuracy. Zach has several friends that are getting into reloading shotshells because of Zachs reloads. Thanks for your patience. When we are sold out, we are sold out. In 1999, George opened GA Precision after apprenticing with three gunsmiths. 2.8 gr. Its easy to double charge your rounds, as you will barely notice. You accidentally load this into a rifle, or a larger pistol cartridge, its super dangerous. Dianna currently competes in the role of Captain for Team Benelli. Diannas also won the 2015 NRA World Shooting Championship Ladies title. The more inexpensive "competition" powder. You are using an out of date browser. Not cast, but I have 4k 124gr Barry's plated over 4.0gr. This is a capture from the Sierra load data with Titegroup starting at 1000fps. He still serves the NKCPD as a Range Officer volunteer today. No Charges? I want to be safe. I have found charge weights that fall in the allowable range. I have been trying to get a 9mm 124gr RN load to reach 1200fps. When I used titegroup my load with 147s was 3.0gr and with 124s it was 3.8gr, power factor was always around 130. I've had good luck with 3.4gr of Titegroup with the 147fmj boolit. In just five years, he has earned an impressive shooting resume with consistent top finishes at national level events. Max charge was 4.8 grains, so these should be fine. Does it make a difference? is 1.150" with Hornandy bullets. BrianEnos.com Phillip Velayo currently serves as Gunwerks Long Range University Lead Instructor. Paste as plain text instead, All of them are asking their parents for shotshell presses now. I thought one was supposed to be at least 10 feet away from the chronograph when measuring velocity. During his time, Phillip completed 4 overseas deployments and served in all billets available to a Scout Sniper, to include Scout Sniper Team Leader, Chief Scout Sniper, and Scout Sniper Instructor. Ryan still has a passion for hunting, but 3-gun gives Ryan and wife Dianna the opportunity to travel together and compete with and against amazing people. http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp, https://fsreloading.com/lee-precision-perfect-powder-measure-90058.html, Firearms News and Firearms related political news. 10-12 ft according to my chronos instructions inorder to prevent getting false readings due to the muzzle blast. She remains the only female to take home overall wins in national level precision rifle competitions when she won the 2016 NorCal Tactical Bolt Rifle Challenge and 2018 K&M Kahles Precision Rifle Competition. Better to be too careful than blow something up. What is your favorite firearm to load for? I use the Caldwell chrono and it statesthat the unit must be 10-15 ft from the muzzle for the reading. Many of these are 131-135 PF, which are plausible competition loads. 4 hours ago, looking4reloadingdeals said: 6 hours ago, looking4reloadingdeals said: I use the Caldwell chrono and it statesthat the unit must be 10-15 ft from the muzzle for the reading. Clear editor. Makes 900fps out of my G17. #1 As a beginner reloader, I'm looking for Titegroup load data for 9mm for 115 grains FMJ. Is this not a safe load? I am using TiteGroup for 9mm, but I`m loading 124 gr. If you don't mind my asking, where did your recipe come from? Ryan and Dianna continue to not only compete, but train and film all over the country. It's accurate and reliable. Still using 4.0 Grains of Titegroup with 124 Gr Jacketed and 3.6 Gr. I shot a lot of Sta-Ball 6.5 and it worked well beyond expectations. After this I would consider most all of the load data above close enough to start load development with. Do not load above recommended manufacturer book maximums. My M&P and G34 love the 115 and 124s, but the 147s won't group for crap in either gun with any load and I took it up to 3.9 which is pretty hot. I am also using the Xtreme bullets. . JavaScript is disabled. Titegroup is a fantastic powder for 9mm and .45ACP. I used 4.5 grains of Titegroup with a 115 grain Berry's FMJ bullet and an OAL of 1.125 to 1.130. She has also competed for the USA in two Pan-American Shotgun matches and the 2015 IPSC World Shotgun Ladies team that brought home gold! After looking at my previous set ups, the chrono was likely at about 7 feet, not 5. Sowhat about Titegroup and what do some cases look like? There aint nothin like the smell of burnt gunpowder in the mornin. Titegroup: 0.356" 1.100" 3 . 3.4 gr. Only time I used TG in 9mm it was 4.5grs. Titegroup's unique design provides flawless ignition with all types of primers, including lead-free versions. I am using CBI pistol powder. To help get you started with load data we have collected information from what we consider to be a reliable source for easy reference. Both are off according to the newer data I am not afraid to pull them apart and use data that I can easily find and a powder that has more bullets listed for it. The larger permanent cavity may lead to faster blood loss. HP and RN load data are practically interchangeable since you should be working up from the minimum anyways. Although such an edge clearly exists, its significance cannot be quantified". OAL is about 1.139 give or take. Later, he started a granite countertop business allows him the time to pursue his passion for long-range shooting and high-country public land mule deer and elk hunting. I have loaded 38 spl with 5.4 grains with a 125g bullet. Powder Bul Weight C.O.L. Baseball won over for a time when it took him to Gonzaga University on scholarship as a pitcher for the Bulldogs. Unlike pistol powders of the past, powder position in large cases (45 Colt, 357 Magnum and others) has virtually no effect on velocity and performance. My goal was to find a load that worked well is all my 9MMs with differing barrel lengths, rifling, etc. I am doing 3.7gr of Titegroup 124gr bullet. Sponsored by many of the hunting industries leading manufacturers, he has conducted over a thousand hunting and fishing seminars across the United States and has hunted and fished extensively around the world. The .357 Sig handloads could have been loaded even hotter. This is a good consistent and uniform powder, reloads easy and accurate. Thanks all. All but 2-3 of those are with handloadedammo. His proven expertise in firearm manipulation and shooting techniques has enhanced the skills of countless individuals and agencies. Cowboy Action, Bullseye and Combat Shooters should love this one! I used 4.5 grains of Titegroup with a 115 grain Berry's FMJ bullet and an OAL of 1.125 to 1.130. Working and enjoying the outdoors were just a normal part of day to day life. And how are you metering 3.3gr? Starting Load Grains 4.9 Velocity (ft/s) 1,124 Pressure 28,800 PSI Maximum Load Grains 5.4 Velocity (ft/s) 1,209 Pressure 33,800 PSI Barrel Length: 4" Case: Winchester Primer: CCI 500, Small Pistol Trim Length: .750" Twist: 1:10" 115 GR. Obligatory start low and work your way upSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk, Went out and tested 4 more loads today (2 of the same load) and got extremely similar results. What's the difference between the Berry's plated bullets and FMJ? Titegroup is what people generally buy when they are trying to make budget loads, and the general best Titegroup loads are between 3-4 grains of powder only, so you can load a lot of rounds with just 1 pound. 9 mm Luger - Published Manufacturer Loading Data. 125 gn bullets: Titegroup - 3.8 gn - 1100 fps. It will damage a blood vessel the smaller projectile barely misses. So it is interesting that the starting 124gr load did not show a load for 900fps. Close w/ TG can be problematic. and 8 lb. Brian moved back to Idaho, where he completed his bachelors degree in Business Finance at Albertsons College of Idaho. As long as they cycle fine in your guns, you should be good to go. Today, it is a popular military and law enforcement handgun cartridge. (3.2-3.6g from the Hodgdon website). As with any load data posted on the internet, please start testing low and work your way up. More details in the thread in Tech Support for those who are interested. FYI, when you think about it..even the amount of crimp can/will/could affect things. As the name implies, this spherical propellant was designed for accuracy. I can't seem to find the load data for 115gr FMJ w/Titegroup powder online or in the Lyman 49th manual. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser settings before proceeding. A licensed Montana Professional Outfitter and Guide freelance writer, his articles and photographs have been featured in magazines including Outdoor Life, American Hunter, American Rifleman, Field and Stream. Powder is generally +/- 0.1 gr as it dropped using a Hornady powder drop on my Dillon xl650(although usually right at the listed charge). It can be very dangerous because its so fast burning. The Lee second edition manual shows 115gr jacketed has 4.8gr max at 1.125 oal for 1158fps. ABOUT MARSHA: Marsha is the co-host of Shoot Straight with Chad & Marsha and is a Licensed Montana Professional Guide. For 231 I used 4.3 gr @ 1.130" OAL. Its no wonder so many people love this powder for their economical loads, its cheap AND accurate. This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old . I was intrigued with 3-Gun since, as a police officer, I relied on all three platforms at work. You are using an out of date browser which is likely incompatible with our website. I wonder why the difference. Titegroup 3.4grs 968 FPS G34 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 668 Scottsdale, AZ Posted January 28, 2018 Notes 2: 3.5grs Tite Group Distance to Chrono (FT): 5.00 Ballistic Coefficient: 0.212 Bullet Weight (gr): 147.00 Temp: N/A F BP: N/A inHg Altitude: 0.00 # FPS FT-LBS PF 10 957 298.99 140.68 9 947 292.77 139.21 8 959 300.24 140.97 Nuff said. From their home in Montana, Shoot Straight with Chad & Marsha follows Chad, Marsha and their two boys-Walker and Wyatt-across the world in hunting adventures. I havent had a problem yet. Titegroups unique design provides flawless ignition with all types of primers, including lead-free versions. I found anything much lower to be too weak. Me thinks not, but I could be wrong. Display as a link instead, Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Soon, Zach was shooting skeet and fell in love with the sport. Notes: Chronograph figures are for five rounds taken with the start screen at approximately 6 feet. WARNING: If you are a newer reloader, you do not want to start out using this powder. Titegroup has it all - low charge weight, burns clean, mild muzzle report and superb, uniform ballistics. Works good in everything from my 1911 to Glock YMMV. RCBS 9mm-125-RN-GC 123 TiteGroup 4.4 1045 129 . My name is Robert Brantley and I have been obsessed with precision rifle since 2007. A consistent shooter, Regina has finished in the Top 20 routinely and in the Top 10 quite frequently in both the National Rifle League and Precision Rifle Series. THR Group Project - PISTOL - Advanced Reloading Concepts and Discussions. Cowboy Action, Bullseye and Combat Shooters should love this one! As it says on bottle, a little goes a long way.. Just dirty as we ever seen and HOT. Titegroup has it all - low charge weight, burns clean, mild muzzle report and superb, uniform ballistics. containers. He harvested his first turkey and whitetail deer at age 5 and completed his turkey grand slam by age 11. I try to use a longer than suggested OAL just help with pressures etc. Phillip has attended all follow-on formal Scout Sniper courses, having graduated with honors and recognized as High Shooter from all. As an fyi, stay away from the 147gr berrys with titegroup. Shooting steel plates or need to shoot fast? PF is between 130-135 depending on gun. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, training, shows, accessories, classifieds, and more! Be sure to enter theNES/MFS March Giveaway ***Taurus G3c***. Each week the Schearer family will hunt with a variety of weapons from archery, muzzleloader and shotgun to centerfire rifles and will not only focus on the hunt, but will be filled with educational tips to make the viewers better sportsmen and sportswomen. Starting load is 4.5gr for 1135fps. Quickly he was attending weekly, monthly, and annual shoots, which included Nebraska state, USAYESS, and many more. I dont plan on stopping anytime soon and this year is scheduled to be as busy as any while shooting 4 different series.