We don't have any data other than that one article on pre-medieval Poland (indeed, not much on medieval Poland either). Lots of... Who lived in Ireland before the Bell Beaker invasions and settlement? Continuing on steppe Y-DNA, Q1g is also of steppe origin. @aYes, the choice of reference populations in nMontes modeling and the interpretation of the results is necessarily based on some context and assumptions. Border Reivers- Animosity-between-Buccleuch-and-Scrope-, 18th Dynasty R1b, Tutankhamun mtdna K? If The Netherland Beakers came from the SE it might be expected that they would have some Baden like admixture. TRB may have been too.Pigmentation wise, Beaker looks like an intermediate between Yamnaya & GAC, which matches ancestry (50-60% Yamnaya, 40-50% GAC-like). The next stage is the erection of Tumulus II (Obviously a family Collective burial), in which 11 individuals were buried between 2200 and 1900 calBCE. Thanks for showing some more modeling. (iv) Sequential replacement requires only one episode of abandonment and re-settlement.The inhabitants of the Hegau and the Lake Constance area used different parts of the landscape,they preferred different food, followed a different life style and had a different economic basis. In this group, several aspects of the Yamnaya culture are present. 2.2846" Beaker_Central_Europe:I4253Beaker_Central_Europe:I7205,37.1Yamnaya_Samara,27.1Varna,26CWC_Czech_o,3.2Beaker_Central_Europe_no_steppe:I1392,2.9Loschbour,2.8Hungary_LCA,0.9, Here's something interesting....I7282 a Beaker_Czech is the result of a mixed marriage. Davidski at Eurogenes points out some problems in the ancient DNA evidence with the hypothesis that the Northern and Central European Bell Beaker people are derived from the Hungarian Yamnaya people. The Eastern Beakers in Malopolska, probably all of Csepel Island appear to have integrated other peoples into their cosmopolitan society including Yamnaya. It's no surprise that P312+ and U106+ can be argued to originate in the same region based on similar data, such as clades of P312>L238 being north European specific for example, and U106 whose distribution is already well known. I7205, is one of the Czech beakers who cluster with Beaker_Netherlands. A number of closely related finds has been recorded in the Lower Rhineland, especiaIly in the Neuwieder Becken. So for me its quite clear that the movement was rather going through Bavaria, Bohemia and Moravia northward. @Davidski "EEF were overall more dolichocephalic than Yamnaya, and more gracile.Yamnaya was mostly dolichocephalic but also very robust. The Bell Beaker phenomenon is defined by groups that show a common know-how in technology, especially regarding pottery, copper metallurgy (Amzallag 2009), and flint. Since the physical character of the New Race detected among the early Mesopotamians and Egyptians is not typically Hamitic but rather Japhetic, we may reasonably inquire whether these newcomers might not be related to the Beaker folk who were widely dispersed in Europe as well as in North Africa in the late chalcolithic era (corresponding to Danube III, ca.2900-1800 BC). Ancient ancestry proportions in present-day Europeans (to be continued), Fatyanovo as part of the wider Corded Ware family (Nordqvist and Heyd 2020), Viking world open analysis and discussion thread, Don't believe everything you read in peer reviewed papers, Phys.org - latest science and technology news stories, Archaeological Headlines - Archaeology Magazine, Neolithic Cursus Monument Spotted on Scottish Isle, Microba, University of Queensland Partner to Study Gut Microbiome in Parkinson's Disease, PIE Urheimat poll: two or three options left. Moreover the Bell Beaker presence in Hungary is scant, there's just a little along the Danube. Today, Yamnaya related ancestry is lower in southern Europe and higher in northern Europe. Which is not far from what I suggested for migration of R1b L51 towards the West. Let me explain using your tools. The transition from the Late Neolithic to the Bronze Age has witnessed important population and societal changes in western Europe.¹ These include massive genomic contributions of pastoralist herders originating from the Pontic-Caspian steppes^2,3 into loca … The eastern Corded Ware and even earlier Yamnaya ceramic decorations are characteristic of the African “Maritime Beaker complex” that was carried from Morocco to Iberia (Turek, 2012; Winters, 2017). Sensational Beaker Cemetary Discovered in Saxony-A... 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You might want to direct that question at Matt.I guess Globular Amphora from Poland might work even better than anything from Northwestern Europe, but the reality might be more complex, with the farmer ancestry being a blend of all sorts of admixtures picked up on the way from the steppe. Anatolian farmers are supposed to have introduced filigran types and slim faces. Northern Beaker folk in Denmark & Germany probably had lots of U106. They are also closely connected to later Final Neolithic cultures, which spread throughout Europe and Central Asia, especially the Corded Ware people, but also the Bell Beaker culture as well as the peoples of the Sintashta, Andronovo, and Srubna cultures. to Early Bronze Age Yamnaya pastoralists from the Eurasian steppe 2–4 (henceforth referred to as ‘steppe’). However, it is difficult to maintain that the earliest BB pots are found in Iberia. Even their diets were different (from isotopic studies).Therefore, I don't the evolution of BB won't won't go back to Dutch CWC, despite the fact that the ceramic sequence proposed by the original Dutch models is still braodly correct (but this is just a ceramic typology, and not a complete anthropological model). The distinctive Bell Beaker pottery vessels shaped like a reversed bell, early examples from southwestern Germany (Stadtmuseum Bruchsal) Burial sites found west of the Elbe from the Bell Beaker culture, contemporary to the Yamnaya, tell a different story. @SynomeOne day I'll get around to trying some myself.I am also a total amateur and never got myself into do these myself. – if the men of the Bell Beaker culture (BBC) were also, by and large, derived from the population of the Yamnaya culture, then where are the Yamnaya samples with R1b-P312, the main BBC Y-haplogroup? I think the dates you mention are in the Radon-B website and kind of treated as outliers. Where did the Alpine type originate from?I was always under the impression that it were the EEF types who were brachycephalic. It seems like you're arguing against things that no one here has said. Also, some of the amerindian samples have european admixture. In another post they said he is low coverage & not tested for P312 SNP. If, I hear you correctly: Bell Beaker in Silesia Poland (where most samples in Olalde are from), Czech, Hungary all arrived from central Europe. So Poland Kierzkowo, Baalberge, and Iberia Quintanilla de Onesimo and Rathlin. But regardless of all of this, the WHG admixture in MN European Farmers is pervasive and not dependent on uniparental markers. So if "THE" northern Beakers rich in R1b-P312 were really from Hungary, it would either mean that Hungarian Beakers - in a bounce-back movement - completely replaced the original German Beakers, or that Yamnaya descended people from Hungary moved to Germany, without being culturally clearly Yamnaya nor Bell Beaker, and arrived just in time in Germany to be the first to adopt the new Bell Beaker fashion there. @DragosWell go and prove that GB1 has any relevance at all to the Rhenish Beakers. Where they came from originally, is a completely different question. Even as the tidal flow trends north, speeds can be 0.5m/s. Migrations from Iberia (mainly sea routes to the British Isles, Brittany, Morocco, Balearic Islands, Sicily, Italy, southern France and Sardinia) and Germany (to the British Isles, Holland, Czech Republic, Switzerland) are clearly Chalcolithic. Yet, most Irishmen carry the Y haplogroup R1b SNPs such as L21. @ Andrzejewski, re: ÖtziIn the reconstruction here http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7S2adtG9J54/Tmc5kzhoxcI/AAAAAAAAEF8/hH9Bb34c_qg/s1600/oetzi.jpghe looks strikingly broad faced, and thus not like the gracile Mediterranoid type most typical for the LBK and Anatolia_EN. We show that the two major migrations during the European Holocene had different spatiotemporal structures and expansion rates. Hardly any of them have been tested. The style of the pottery also indicates a medium Bell Beaker phase. Also, we used target DNA capture on array to reconstruct complete nuclear genomes from 13 additional ancient human remains from North and South of the Iberian Peninsula, also dated around to the Copper AgeENA-FIRST-PUBLIC2018-12-14Another upcoming study:https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/PRJEB28451 (no data for now)Blood ties: Unraveling ancestry and kinship in a Stone Age mass burialIn 2011 archaeological excavations near the village of Koszyce, Poland, uncovered a 5000-year-old mass burial with the remains of 15 men, women and children belonging to the Globular Amphora culture. You're right- They come from the RhineNetherlands-Veluwe type (Van der Waals & Glasbergen) This homogeneous Bell Beaker group represents the final integration of the elements of Atlantic and Central European origin. Recent aDNA research has shed new light on genomic variation associated with the spread of Beaker material culture. @Dragos,If that’s the case on early dates then so be it, however I don’t think a lot of confidence was put into those early Eastern blips. Netherlands- J. Butler, J Van der Waals- Beakers with maritime decoration "Although their decoration clearly belongs to the Atlantic Bell Beaker tradition, other elements in this group already represent eastern influence. Genome-wide kinship analyses revealed an extended family with several first- and second-degree relationships. They were claims of R1b-U106 in Wielbark and more samples can help clear this mystery, so if we’re getting flooded with skulls and remains, then why not test them? The following are 3 samples from Bell Beaker, all are different, the only thing in common are dated snp paternal markers that can be gleaned from the data. The study site is was of the Tisza, and directly East of Csepel Island. Czech/Bavaria Beaker are not. Heterogeneous Hunter-Gatherer and Steppe-Related Ancestries in Late Neolithic and Bell Beaker Genomes from Present-Day France. my knowledge of medieval Russian history mostly comes from computer games so this may be wrong but was the Kievan Rus vs Novgorod thing (if it was a thing) an expression of the two northern routes from the Black Sea to the Baltic: Dniepr vs Volga?http://www.freeworldmaps.net/europe/eastern/easterneurope-physical-map.jpg(as opposed to the more southern Danube route)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber#History. I think the original Bell Beakers had no steppe, which is supported by datings marking no_steppe samples as earlier than steppe-containing ones. As far as Michelsberg goes, I wouldn’t put any stock in it specifically because not enough is known about it. They didn't only carry R1b(R1b-V88), they also carried R1a, which shows up even in Iberia, Q1a1, and Q1a2. Crucial passage about Belle beaker, Single Grave and Corded Ware:https://www.mupload.nl/img/7z4poju.17.53.png, Taking a closer look at Alberstedt_LN“ALB3/I0118 (feature 7144.2, 2459-2345 calBCE, MAMS 21492) … The radiocarbon date falls in line with both the Bell Beaker and Corded Wareoccupation phases of this region. More than 4,500 years ago, a hugely popular cultural phenomenon – today known as the Bell Beaker Complex – captured the prehistoric imagination, flourishing across much of Europe. Found a thing about G25: the present-day Aboriginal Australian samples have significant Indonesian and English admixtures. @ bellbeakerblogger Something else that is interesting is MtDNA Haplogroup U5b2a2 in both Baalberge and Rathlin... @Ric Hern,"Something else that is interesting is MtDNA Haplogroup U5b2a2 in both Baalberge and Rathlin..."(...and Samuel Andrews).Now, I see a pattern. Danube farmer+Balkan HG, can't explain it either. It certainly doesn’t mean that BB is from Northern Europe It’s just reflective of how they ended up There was obvious admixture between BB and CWC. The “Beaker” folk are brachycephalic and interred in a con… You seem obsessed with your Y-haplogroup to be honest. IMO it's clear that BB & CWC are different groups. Yamnaya Kurgan Origins East of the Tisza River, Hu... Anthropological Background of Danubian Budakalász,... "A Bell Beaker textile from the Czech Republic" (G... "The Fare Frenchman" "I2575" (Grave S. 14). @ BellbeakerbloggerYou might benefit from re-reading Cardoso, which you featured on one of your posts. I don't hear anybody on it. 3). The sequence at this site starts with skeleton 575, dated between 2579–2284 BC (3945±55 BP, GrN-6650C). YAMNAYA – CORDED WARES – BELL BEAKERS, OR HOW TO CONCEPTUALIZE EVENTS OF 5000 YEARS AGO THAT SHAPED MODERN EUROPE. @Samuel Andrews You probably meant I4178 (unless I completely missed something). But you have to point out how my assumptions are wrong exactly, pointing out the general fallibility of this kind of modeling is not a solid counter-argument. A lot of the Olalde 2018 Beaker samples are 1st degree & 2nd degree relatives. Here is a summary of my observations posted in this thread regarding the autosomal analysis of the Mesolithic and Bronze Age samples from Haak et al 2015. Because you're using Yamnaya. @SlumberyYes, I read that earlier comment. Of course some like "Olympus Mons" on Eupedia and "An Idiot" here will still insist on their Caucasus > North Africa > Iberia rubbish. That's why I said R1b(xR1b-V88). We know wait to have datas from prehistoric pannonian plain and danubian plain that would show cultural transition between proper neolithic and steppe pastoralism with tumuli. The two are apart of the same phenomenon. In any case, the Csepel group happens to have Maritime beakers dating to 2800 BC from very well stratified contexts, adjcaent to a clear typological predecessor in Yamnaya. If the only option is an undated generic R1b-Z2103 then say so. suggest an origin of the Bell Beaker package in Iberia, it must have reached the Rhine before it reached Hungary. This year has already been massive in all sorts of ways, including for new data and software releases. Significant CWC ancestry in Beakers must then come from women, which I think makes perfect sense looking at early pot bodies.I would say where I think the male component comes from but I don’t want to get the chimpanzee beatdown! I do not know if there are other deposits as old as this (with human remains) in the Netherlands. Global 25 nMontes Beaker_Central_Europe:AverageBlatterhole_MN 5%Globular_Amphora 47.5%Vucedol_no_steppe 0.83%Yamnaya_Kalmykia 46.67%Fit 0.9393So definitely not Vucedol. "Szigetszentmiklós" names like these sohuld be forbidden, who the heck can even come up with that, Hungary?? Note that these contact zones just happen to be located at major European watershed areas. "I'm completely and utterly confused. It would not invalidate the argument against the Vucedol origin, but in fact, I don't think that even Beaker Hungary had any real Vucedol ancestry. all-over-grooved necks....."https://rjh.ub.rug.nl/Palaeohistoria/article/view/24936/22384. I've read that the Yamnaya migrated as far west as Serbia, as far south Macedonia & Greece during this 1st wave of migration. That is to say in the Netherlands the BB culture is something strange, Oostwoud I5748 is a lone explorer (2,431 BC), with the same mitochondrial haplogroup as its Alsatian relatives that are somewhat older.The following deposits are much more modern (2.100-2.000 BC), and all of them have German haplogroups (older than the Dutch). But it also means that BB is not from Vucedol fusion either. I want to link directly over to Razib Khan's "Gene Expression" comments on the Lara Cassidy paper on ancient Ireland. In western Europe there was the equally expansive ‘Bell Beaker complex’, defined by assemblages of grave goods that included stylized bell-shaped pots, copper daggers, arrowheads, stone wristguards and V-perforated buttons 5 (Extended Data Fig. For instance, many people who belong to P311 also belong to U106 rather than P312.”Thank you Davidski, greatly appreciated. We know this because they all share the same Y chromosome R1b U152>L2 & similar ancestry. Viking paper are now available HERE ... Szigetszentmiklós Cemetery (Santa's Six Foot Elves). It’s not that one or another is senior, but they are far too distant for any possible late divergence in Western Europe. The transition from the Late Neolithic to the Bronze Age has witnessed important population and societal changes in western Europe.1 These include mas… That’s tough. In a lot of the regions in questions you see huge changes by social stratification, with the most typical BB on top usually, the less typical at the bottom, and in time. As it is, I'm not even sure he belongs to R-L51. @ BBB I bet you’re thinking michelsberg ?There was a poster presentation on a genomic transects of France recently . That is itself already calculated, not the raw data. Deûle-Escaut sites are not at the same places than BBs sites. To be totally honest, a quick and mysterious paternal origin of Beaker from the steppe wins on simplicity, plausibility and ychromosome phylogeny, but all the other facts are getting in the way. Kurgan - Proto-Indo-Europeans - Bell Beaker culture - Mikhaylovka culture - Afanasievo culture - Catacomb culture - Sintashta culture - Proto-Indo-European language - Khvalynsk culture - Dnieper–Donets culture - Samara culture - Caucasian Hunter-Gatherer - Poltavka culture - Who We Are and How We Got Here - Bronze Age - Kurgan hypothesis - Pontic–Caspian steppe - Nomad - … As far as I know, Q1a1 and Q1a2 are present from Andalusia up to the Basques. I will go for the potential MtDNA connection between Neolithic Ukraine and the Rathlin samples. For instance, many people who belong to P311 also belong to U106 rather than P312. When performing the same type of reconstruction for the YAM ancestry, we observed that this spread occurred first via north and central Europe and only much later began to spread into southern Europe , reflecting reconstructions from archaeological records for the spread of the Yamnaya, Corded Ware, and Bell Beaker phenomena (10 ⇓ –12). Bell Beaker culture spreads eastwards over the next few centuries and is embraced by the Corded are people who carry the Yamnaya … @AndrzejewskiI don't know, maybe Simon does? The Bell Beaker culture had about 50% WSH ancestry. Image based on Harrison and Heyd (2007), Heyd (2007, see below), and other images on local East Bell Beaker expansion. It's was just one of the first lineages in central/east Europe and was passed down to every new group that came afterwards. But the story changes when the Bell Beaker culture expanded to Britain after 4,500 years ago. @Matt,Thanks for the heads up! Since both the Yamnayans, Vucedol and Bell Beakers have been shown to be almost universally M269+ or supposed, that has caused a very natural question as to whether Bell Beaker somehow originates among Yamnaya or earlier, after all Bell Beaker is in many ways genetically and culturally alien to Western Europe. From Bell Beaker blog:"Like the Małopolskan Beakers from the previous post, the initial Beaker ethnic is wholly alien to this region, being characterized as a tall, Alpine, wide-faced, strongly-built people with pronounced brachycephaly. Collective burial PRE-BB Chalcolithic- 2.630 BCU5b2/a1a/2- (Iberia-Trascabañas, Valladolid, PRE-BB CHalcolithic-2.750 BCU5b2/a3- Germany, Haunstatten, Unterer Tallweg (2.456-2133 BC)U5b2/a5- Iberia, dolmen de la Mina, Neolithic 3.705 BCU5b2/a2- Iberia, Quintanilla de Onesimo, 2.465 BC BB CHalcolithic.U5b2/a1a- Rathlin Island , 1.882 BCU5b2/a2b- Poland, Kierzkowo, Globular Amphorae. @DavidskiIñigo Olalde-2.018- Suplementary Information- "There are two radiocarbon dates from this skeleton and we used the union for analyses:I1390/11-Grave68: 2566–2299 calBCE [2566–2524 calBCE (3910±35 BP, Poz-41227); 2489–2299 calBCE (3875±35 BP, Poz-41226)]I1389/10-Grave69: 2468–2278 calBCE [2481–2289 calBCE (3935±35 BP, Poz-41229); 2468–2278 calBCE (3925±30 BP, Poz-41228)] They share both mitochondrial and Y-chromosome haplogroups, which points to a sibling relationship (brothers). Ric Hern, Yes you are right- U5a1/b- Dereivka, UKraine, 4.500 BC And this is the story about U5 and U5aU5-Iberia-Erralla Cave, Cestona, Guipúzcoa. Off topic on rotating Global 25 dimensions again: https://imgur.com/a/OscfkbGRotating dimensions 1 and 2 so West and East Eurasia aren't on top of each other has some nice properties in terms of visualising all the clines between between Eurasia and African and within Eurasia all at the same time, that might be nicer to visually see all the patterns of differentiation together. But we might just need more data. But I’m not sure you’ve demonstrated “shared drift “? Male inhumation burial (25-30 years), with N-S orientation, located on the left side. It includes this ... Global25 and Celtic vs Germanic coordinates for most of the samples from the recent Margaryan et al. ), BB-P312-L21, and MBA R1b-U106 + ? Is it possible that U106 was common in certain Single Grave clans who did not participate in the Eastern Bell Beaker formation? There was a little bit released last year but that's it. In this area it would appear that late and devolved Corded Ware groups integrated small bands of beaker settlers producing a pottery assemblage of hybrid character.These folk, with their strong non-beaker background, apparently crossed the North Sea in a series of small bands somewhere around 1700 B.C. But unfortunately some confused people do, so I think it's occasionally useful to provide a reality check for them. For, CWC admixture, to explain Beaker_Netherlands/Britain being so similar to CWC, this CWC admixture would have to exist in all northern Bell beaker because they're all mostly the same as Beaker Netherlands.Like, I said before it, if Beaker Netherlands has CWC admixture, it would have to be old. Unlikely most Egyptian women, her reddish-aubur... All images used are in accordance to United States "Fair Use" and "Public Domain" Doctrines, Creative Commons agreements or explicit permissions from the creators for copyrighted material. OT I’m fascinated by Ötzi the Iceman. b, Beaker-complex grave goods from La Sima III barrow, Soria, Spain . Finally, here are the Southern European Beakers:"http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/03/on-origin-of-steppe-ancestry-in-beaker.html. Bell Beakers in the Rhine region mixed with local Corded Ware people, that's no news. Dereivka(Or somewhere nearby) to Northern Poland/Lithuania/Latvia to Northern Germany to the Netherlands. Both tlle Northern/North Rhine and the Barbed-Wire beaker groups comprise traditions of mixed Late Corded Ware and peripheral Bell beaker origin. There are with Baden and Balkans. It first pops up in Blatterhole cave in 10,000BC. A large scale study of Beaker heads looking at siblings, children at different ages and modifications might answer these questions.Also, in those rare cases were infants are buried and well preserved like Czechia there may be a way to look at the body in a new way, maybe body or arm placement that might give clues to if the swaddleboard was present. Then Bell Beaker decorated cup styles, domestic pot types, and grave and dagger types from the middle Danube are adopted around 2600 BC in Moravia and southern Germany, possibly as a result of trade rather than immediate migration. British Neolithic groups were also heavily WHG but still farmer dominant. At least thats what I recall.I also recall, that a proper "Alpinid" basicly didnt exist until the middle ages. It was said that his mtDNA was K1f, which is rare but which cake from WHG. https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2019/01/hungarian-yamnaya-bell-beakers.html @bellbeakerblogger,Thanks for clarifying that. So the origin must be sought in Central or South Eastern Europe. Bellbeakerblogger, this is also for you. Further to the point, one could say just from the above runs that at least Beaker from Hungary have some Vucedol ancestry. Related to different modes of production, differences in ideology become visible in food preferences as well as in other parts of the material culture. @DragosIt's difficult for me to imagine that the northern Beakers acquired their very specific genetic structure and physical appearance by randomly mixing with various Corded Ware groups. This was his reply:"I don't have any confidence in calling I4178 as R-U106 > Z18. Is there a chance that it's real? In essence, this dates all skeletons buried in mound II to older than approximately 1900 BCE. And I am not sure what did you want to say about this exact model and its assumptions. Would you characterize his appearance as a typical EEF/Anatolia_N’s prior to the prevalence of the Beaker types? Neither variant seems very plausible. 10.03.2019 - < Previous MapNext Map > Map of Yamnaya – Bell Beaker migration, from the collection of Maps of prehistoric migrations. The domestic assemblage included both undecorated and non-plastic rusticated ware. Ever since the publication of the Olalde et al. The Bell Beaker culture had about 50% WSH ancestry. On the other hand, the Dutch Beakers appear very homogeneous, and very northern Beaker.This has to mean something. "I doubt that BEAKERS were the brachycephalic ones (without getting too much into physical Anthropology): it's known that the preceding EEF population were brachycephalic. @ Bogdan Isn't that called ADHD ? The Drouwen grave is the best known Dutch example.It's remarkable that the Elp culture has never been presented as the immigration of a new group of people. My impression is that the elite moved and the commoners stayed at home. She had about 30% Yamnaya ancestry. 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